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Personally I think that it is hypocritical of the world to sit and point a finger a China as though everyone else is so much better. I found it ridiculous that Bush of all people was lecturing about human rights..this from a man who agrees with torture and started an illegal war. People live in far too many glass houses to be throwing stones like that.
“…Americans generally underestimate the Chinese…”
Americans often underestimate. It is pretty annoying.
I think that what you love about America is precisely what it means to be American. The USofA is not a perfect place. Even though everyone comes from different cultures, has different ideas, and nearly everyone is an immigrant if you go back a few generations, we agree that we can disagree on almost everything. However, at the end of the day we agree that everyone is equal and deserves “Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness” unless they are dumb and do something that puts themselves in jail or in weird situations, in which case we still give people 2nd and 3rd chances.
I know this simplistic view and I agree that individuals, lobbyists, and corporations are taking advantage of the system. I know that when the words were written, there was still slavery. I know that even now, people aren’t really equal. But that’s the story of America. We agreed on the goal, and now we’re trying to get there. And we’ve come a long way. And along the way, we encourage people in other countries to do the same (hey, we’re a nation of immigrants, so we care about other countries). If you can’t wait until we get there, you can always move to Canada haha.
I’m setting myself up for flak on a lot of issues. I know. But I really do believe that historically, America has done its best to uphold these basic rights in spite of people’s slow-to-change attitudes and perhaps hypocrisy about specific issues. Bickering is ok. It’s not really intense. But even intense bickering is ok, it led to the civil war, which was worth it.
China has improved dramatically. Perhaps the difference is that China’s goal is either not explicitly stated, or it’s simply different than America’s.
The ESPN reporter who was shooed away from the scene of a “Free Tibet” protest two days ago outside of the “Bird Nest” stadium, or the fact that in Beijing you are only allowed to protest if you’re in a designated area and you have previously applied for a permit to protest? These are things protected by the US Bill of Rights. Not saying that American is better….just saying that things are different.
From my point of view one of the biggest problems with America is the lack of home-grown science talent. The only reason America has a tenuous lead in science is because immigrants fill the PhD ranks. As science goes, so does the economy.
Hi James,
China’s current goal is very explicitly stated. You can read about Hu Jintao’s vision of Harmonious Society here:
China’s history is just so much longer and more complex than America’s and I don’t think anyone could say that the Chinese do not want life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
As to applying for a permit to protest, I think that’s actually a valid security measure. In America you can’t just protest anywhere, anytime, either. You do get arrested for disturbing the peace if you’re screaming at the top of your lungs at 12 am in the middle of an apartment building where most people are sleeping. Anyway, just allowing protests is a big step forward for China.
I agree with you about the lack of science talent. With the growing wealth of China, many people in our generation are going back to China after achieving advanced degrees instead of staying in America because the immigration process is so retardedly draconian here. I know quite a few people our age that went back to China with their foreign degrees and did quite well. Basically, America is no longer the promised land for talented immigrants. Once again, that’s great for China, and not so great for America.
Hey Xin,
Thanks for the link about Harmonious Society. I will go read about it and think ^.^ And thank you for not belittling my ignorance.
-James
I highly recommend the Post-American World by Fareed Zakaria.
Lots of discussion about where China is and where it’s going (and of course, how America is reacting to it).
Saw the opening ceremonies today. Man, I don’t think I’ve ever been prouder to be Chinese. Much respect to the Motherland!
I think your views of America are in line with my own. I hope our next president can unite us again, and move us forward from the economic disaster we currently have. As for China, I really didn’t know much about their culture nowadays before the Olympics. Their culture had backwards traffic lights and communism.
The chinese hosting the Olympics has opened my eyes quite a bit to their current problems and accomplishments. It probably helps the travel channel and other stations have programming related to the chinese culture and society.
Anyways, good writeup. I’m going to favorite you through Entrecard so I can read some more. Thanks!
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[...] Thoughts about the Olympics and being Chinese in AmericaAt first I said to him, “what American values do I have besides eating burgers and getting fat?” He laughed at me and said that is a big part of American culture for better or worse. Then he said that I believe a lot of things that are … [...]
> It is hard to deny that America is a country with incredible opportunities, freedoms, and diversity. There is really no other place like this in the world
Well, everywhere is unique, so you’re technically right – but I think it really is an American trait to think that America is incredibly special and unique – and really, it’s not as different from the rest of the western as it thinks.
Great post!
I agree that America’s division can be a problem at times, but this country has been divided for most of it’s existence. While there have been a few bumps along the road, I’d say the USA has been on the right path most of the time.
If possible, have you given any thought of duel citizenship?
As for the Olympics – the opening ceremonies were MIGHTY IMPRESSIVE!
Dual citizenship is not possible for China & America because both countries have clauses that say you have to give up one citizenship or the other. For other countries it is feasible I guess.
That’s a bummer.
Doesn’t really sound like China is allowing protests…
I am afraid of China, but not because of the government. I’m afraid of Chinese people. Because people educated in China are smarter and work harder than me. How am I (my family/children/descendants) going to compete?
This is funny.
I also love Chinese people. Technically there are a lot of them in my family! I also like the land of China. Our family even owns property in the mainland.
And I see how all this stuff fits into the Harmonious Society concept. If people don’t agree with it, they can move somewhere else, if they can afford it.
A western story on China’s protest application process. I can see how it was written from a western perspective, and I can imagine how China’s state media would portray the same situation.
“…The younger sister dismisses Olympics “protest parks” as completely fake. The rights group Chinese Human-Rights Defenders reported eight cases of the detention or disappearance of people who applied for permits to voice their dissent in Olympic protest zones…”
last link about the protest issue…i promise. and despite what people may think, i’m trying to be objective. gosh i wish i could read chinese so i would get some of the other perspective.
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