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Well, I have been working for almost three years, and I am . Some older family members have warned me about being a job hopper, but I don’t think it’s such a bad thing, and here’s why.

When we are in school we are trained to learn new things every semester. We also get new teachers and sometimes new friends. So in a way we are trained to change our environment constantly for 12 to 16 years. It is pretty jarring when you get out of school and you are expected to stay with one company for a very long time. In my case I stayed with my first two companies for more than one year each, and I thought that was a pretty long time at each job, but apparently some people I have met still think you should stay at a company for at least five years, or for life. I think that’s just silly because I really think that if I didn’t change jobs, I wouldn’t have learned as much as I did. I started in a pretty great company with a bunch of extremely smart people, but after testing one application for over a year, I was pretty sick of it. It was possible to move into another part of the company, but I would still work with the same product, and I decided it was time to move on. At my next company I learned a lot more about web technologies and picked up more useful skills. However, after a year and half of the same work I felt that there was not much more to learn.

Another thing I have written about before is that there is really these days. Companies can fire us whenever they want, so why are we expected to give our lives to one corporation? I think in today’s society, blind loyalty to one employer is pretty foolish. When you put yourself out on the market more often you learn what skills are needed in your field, and you can improve yourself accordingly. When your skills are updated and transferable you will not be afraid of a situation where your employer decides to shed you like last year’s fashion.

Job-hopping also builds up your network faster than if you would have stayed in one place. I think making just one friend in a workplace is a great thing, and if you go to more places you are more likely to make business connections that could be tapped later. It is definitely possible to find people you can get along with in almost any workplace. I still keep in touch with quite a few ex-coworkers and it’s fun and informative to discuss our jobs and lives we no longer work with each other.

Finally, when you change jobs more often you are more likely to get great raises from job to job. I think if I had stayed at my first company for 3 years I wouldn’t have had an over 50% increase in my salary in that amount of time.

I feel that in the Silicon Valley job hopping isn’t really looked down on as much because companies are dying and rising all the time here and people shift accordingly. Nearly everyone I know have had a job for less than two years. Right now I feel like I could stay at my current company for quite a while, because I still have a lot to learn after working there for six months. I am pretty sure I won’t stay for life, though, but a tenure of a few years is likely.

I am curious, though. What do you consider to be job hopping? Is changing jobs every year considered job hopping? How about changing jobs every two years? Do you think it is bad or good for your career?

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viagra 100mg priceon 05.04.08 at 11:19 pm

3 jobs in 3 years does seem a lot like hopping.

During the days when I looked at resumes, I always looked for a at least a couple of jobs where the candidate stayed for at least 4 – 5 years. A demonstration of stability.

I don’t know much about programming culture, but if I were to be an employer, I’ll place a value on stability.

viagra 100mg priceon 05.05.08 at 12:36 am

It sounds like job-hopping to me, too. But I don’t think that’s necessarily a bad thing – because you’re right “there is really no loyalty towards employees these days.” It’s not like you can find a company, put in a lifetime of work and hope to retire with a gold watch these days.

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I have a whopping 1 year of work experience, but I don’t think job hopping is bad. If you maintain good relationships with previous bosses (good enough for a reference), who can blame you for taking another job especially one with higher salary? If someone doesn’t want to hire you because no stability, you still have your current job.

On the other hand, I would feel guilty leaving if the company has spent a lot of money training me. For example, I’m in a program that pays me to go to med school. It’s structured 2 years of med school, then phd, then 2 more years of med school. I’m done with the first 2 med school years..and the school/government has spent >120k on me so far. I could opt out of the phd and just continue with med school, basically getting a 50% discount on med school in the process, but I don’t want to do that because 1) that’s why I applied for a dual degree, but also 2) I would also feel really guilty for doing it after the school has committed so much money. Kind of like leaving the employer right after they paid for your graduate degree.

viagra 100mg priceon 05.05.08 at 8:52 am

The average job duration for someone in their twenties is two years. Every year might be a bit high. Being in a job for anything more than eighteen months sounds stable to me. In the IT field it seems less egregious to not stay too long at any one company. Lastly companies really do need to give employees something to be loyal to, lest the good ones evaporate. If I saw a young candidate that stayed at a job more than a few years I would be worried that they were stale. I would wonder if they would not be inclined to learn new technology. I would also question if I would get a better candidate because they had a more diverse background.

viagra 100mg priceon 05.05.08 at 10:49 am

When looking at resumes I frown when I see a lot of different jobs in a couple of years without good reason. It can be a warning sign – maybe they don’t get along with people, maybe they aren’t a team player, maybe they have no loyalty, maybe their work sucks.

I disagree that there is no such thing as loyalty any longer. I’m very dedicated to my employer. They treat employees very well. We still complain about things, because that’s what employees do. But for the most part our company recognizes the associates as resources that they need to keep and appreciate.

viagra 100mg priceon 05.05.08 at 11:38 am

Well, I’m a retired and successful ‘job-hopper’, who hopped to a better position each and every time.

When I excelled and was rewarded for my efforts, I stayed – when I was then ‘burdened’ because my company said: “Hey, you can do it more easily than so-in-so, and this way we can save money by not hiring another person….” – well, I left of course.

I learned so much about each and every job; how companies ‘think and operate’, and while they talk to you about stability, they won’t tell you about how stable they are! The word is ‘predictability’ – they want to predict their over-head; their benefits, and how much they can squeeze out of you before you finally ‘leave’.

They incur costs for turn-over; you’d think they’d get smart, and offer rewards to the outstanding employees to avoid that turn-over, but most think ‘oh well, there are more where you came from…’

Anyway, I wound up owning my own business for 20 years before I retired EARLY…yup, that’s the good news – those of us who are ‘hopping’, are the ones who start those new small businesses; we get tired of working for nothing – being an employee who ‘has to do this and that’, and must fit into the ‘gears’ that the company grinds with.

I urge you not to ‘hop’ for the sake of ‘hopping’ – but do not let anyone take advantage of you. A sound performance; a good referral – even if only 6 months, when they call to check on you, the words should be ‘She was an outstanding employee – we were sorry to see her leave!’

Also: Always ask for a reference letter BEFORE you leave; have it signed – sometimes your old boss decides if you can leave your dead-end job, so can they – they follow you; then there’s no one to attest to your workmanship.

I spent 3 years in placing high-paying executives; I dealt with many of the largest companies in the U.S. – again, I know what it ‘takes’….

Once I learned what I needed to know in all aspects of business, I started my own – then I went back to those very companies where I’d provided sound executives for their needs, and they were now my clients….

Believe in yourself – hop with integrity; hop with confidence, as I said, do NOT hop just to see what it’s like…….

viagra 100mg priceon 05.05.08 at 1:01 pm

Yes, it does seem like job-hopping. SO? Don’t waste your time in a position that you’re not happy with or growing at.

viagra 100mg priceon 05.05.08 at 2:02 pm

I think “job-hopping” is less of an issue at the beginning of your career when you can ostensibly claim you are trying to learn as much as possible, find your niche, try new things, etc. But after 4-5 years of that, your resume would be very much helped by being at one company for at least a few years (you can still be promoted and/or change jobs within one company, after all).

I do think there is such a thing as company loyalty to employees, by the way. Most companies are desperate for good, loyal, talented employees. My company has invested a LOT of time and money training me, and they also give generous benefits; plus they promote from within whenever possible. I would feel guilty for soaking all that up and then bailing for a slightly higher salary right as I begin to become a productive employee.

Here is my tip to friends who are dissatisfied after less than a year at a new job: stick it out for at least one year and preferably for at least one raise or promotion. That way on your resume it doesn’t look like you’re leaving because you aren’t a valued employee (i.e. you aren’t getting promotions/raises); it looks like you’re leaving because you’re a hot commodity and you know you can command a better position.

Also, unless you are very early in your career and just know your job/company is a bad fit – don’t make lateral moves! Only leave your job for a promotion (better title, pay, more responsibility). If you have a string of jobs on your resume all paying relatively the same with the same duties, it WILL look like you are just aimless, not a team player, not valuable, etc.

viagra 100mg priceon 05.05.08 at 2:57 pm

When it comes to jobs, certain positions are more prone to job hoppers while other positions would seem bad if you do job hop.

For example, coffee making barista jobs or bank tellers are more prone to have job hoppers. These are jobs mainly geared toward college students.

Depending on what field you are in and for what goals you have, you should work your jobs accordingly. I’m not familiar with the tech work environment, so I cannot say if what you are doing is good or bad.

I work in sales and I see a lot of people that they hire with LOTS of job hopping experience. I personally would not hire them especially because I know that in sales, its all about relationship and I dont want people doing fly-by-night sales and burning bridges.

Some jobs that you get maybe stepping stones for other better position or simply that you learn a certain task/skills/experience to get to the next level.

While money is an important factor, it should NOT be the only factor. You should look at how it plays into your goals, lifestyle, your own fulfillment, etc.

viagra 100mg priceon 05.06.08 at 2:02 pm

A few years ago I would have agreed that you sound like a job hopper but that was when you stayed with an employer because you could see a retirement ahead of you. The way things are set up now, there is no reason to have long term allegiances to an employer, you simply pick up your 401k and move on to the next employer.

I do believe however that staying with an employer (not necessarily the same job/position) gives you something personally and can allow you to settle into comfortable.

viagra 100mg priceon 05.06.08 at 2:54 pm

I’m in total agreement with you on this one, Baglady.

IMNSHO, loyalty to a particular employer has to be earned by that employer. These days, in the tech industry, most employers routinely do not earn that loyalty. For example, they have employees sign an at-will employment agreement before the employee even starts working.

Even worse, I’ve worked at a company where after laying off a bunch of people, management acted like they expected employees to remain loyal. Their attitude was totally unrealistic and hypocritical. Actually, I don’t think they truly expected people to remain loyal, it was just a technique to guilt people into staying at the company.

If you’re unhappy with your job, usually the best thing you can do for yourself and the company you work for is get a better job.

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