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No offense, but it easy to make excuses when it comes to human rights. The fact that other countries aren’t doing the right thing doesn’t make what China is doing okay. I agree since the Tibet protests were violent, China has the right to restore order. But what about the rights of freedom of speech and religion? If people in Tibet had these rights, they may not have felt the need to riot. Also, I suggest looking to England and Scotland for an example of how a democratic society can handle requests for independence (which, I note, the Dali Lama is not making).
As for the Olympics, to the extent that it is PR benefit for China, I think it is fair game for protest. That includes the torch relay, and the opening/closing ceremonies. When it comes to the games themselves, I agree. People should respect the athletes and not disrupt sporting events.
I’m not making any excuses. I am just saying that even in the United States if a violent riot erupted due to racial tension there will be casualties. It happened in the past and it will probably happen again. It doesn’t mean that it’s right, but it shouldn’t be mixed in with the Olympics.
The Athens Olympics were in 2004, not 1996 or did you mean Atlanta, which were in 1996?
I actually disagree about the Olympics being something we should be glad to not have, as the Sydney games in 2000 were fantastic for our economy & have given us an infrastructure that we all use to this day?
The torch relay has become a joke this time around; the protesters have been very effective in getting their message about Tibet across.
I don’t think this will have any impact on the athletes though. Just like you wouldn’t spit on a returned serviceman from Iraq because you oppose the war, you should support the athletes competing as you would support anyone representing your country.
yup you’re right. Athens was 2004. I kept on thinking 1996 because it’s 100 years from 1896. thanks! I think Montreal is another city that went into horrible horrible debt due to the Olympics. It’s great that it worked out for Sydney, but again, very few countries could put up that kind of capital to host such an event.
agreed with this article. We should separate the policitals from Olympics game. Chinese people spent a lots of money and efforts for this event. I don’t understand any chinese people whatever their religion or background want to protest for this game. Many people in the Western who don’t really know what are real situation in Tibet. The China’s central government gives hundreds million dollars to support Tibet where lacks resources. Without these supports, I don’t think the people over there can live in a life much better than 50 years ago when Tibet was in a slave system.
When it comes to China and human rights violations, look no further than Petrochina’s crude oil purchasing in Chad and Sudan. China imports 500,000 barrels of crude per day (purchased at a steep discount of course) from the Sudanese Khartoum regime. In exchange… China has also served as the largest weapon’s supplier for the Khartoum regime over the past 10 years and stood as a large veto threat to the UN Security Council intervention into the region.
once again, what does that have to do with the Olympics? If you want to talk about oil and human rights violations, you could also throw in Abu Ghraib and Iraq
I agree with you. It seems to be politically correct to fight for human rights by making disturbances. On the other hand, those same people say Americans shouldn’t get involved in other people’s business and should get out of Iraq. Which is it?
My comment assumes that protests are peaceful. For instance, I consider the golden gate sign stunt to be peaceful and respectful.
The protests are not an attack on the Olympics, Olympic ideals, Chinese people, culture, identity, or heritage. I don’t see why it is wrong to protest provided that protesters do not violate anyone else’s rights (does a torch have rights?). If the US were hosting the Olympics and other people want to protest Abu Ghraib and Iraq, that’s fine with me. Even Americans protest America’s government. Peaceful protests have an important role in shaping society. The US has admitted to doing wrong against people like African Americans, Japanese, and has/is seriously consider(ing) a formal apology to Native Americans.
Protesting the Olympics in China is a protest against China’s government, not its people or athletes. Is it unfair to the Chinese populace? Or to athletes worldwide? It’s not the people or the athletes that are the issue. The economic effects of protest are probably going to be immeasurably small. The olympics are going to happen. The torch relay host cities/governments are all cooperative. The athletes will compete. Gold medals will be won.
China wants spotlight, and China has it.
In my opinion, the latest series of violent protests and anti-China rhetoric has made the Olympics into something totally different than what it was meant to be. Some people argue that the Olympics in China is a great vehicle for protestors to get their messages out to the world and for the outside world to get a glimpse into what China’s been keeping under covers, but what these violent protests have become is a blind personal attack on the country and on its people.
Many have pointed fingers at the Chinese government, saying that it’s oppressing its people and that Chinese people have no freedom of speech, religion etc, but who gets to set the standard on what can or cannot be considered freedom of speech or religion? In my opinion, it’s the people who actually live in that country and who must obey the laws of that country. I don’t think Chinese populace is as meek and soft as some like believe. I believe they will stand up themselves if the government is as oppressive as Western media portrays it to be. After all, China has seen its share of uprisings and revolutions during its 5000 year history. The protestors only represent a tiny fraction of the collective Chinese voice, and should not be taken out of context. The fact of the matter is, despite China’s problems, some of which quite serious, most Chinese people do in fact support their government. People just have to trust that, although not always the nicest, the Chinese government is not out to sabotage its people. As Google’s CEO, Eric Schmidt, said in an interview defending Google’s decision to comply with China’s censorship laws, “I think it’s arrogant for us to walk into a country where we are just beginning operations and tell that country how to run itself.”
On the issue of Tibet, most people don’t understand that it’s a delicate issue that is not only complex, but bound by centuries of history that can’t be un-done and fixed in a day. Although I think the Chinese government can do more to acknowledge the issue, perhaps even meeting with the Dalai Lama, it doesn’t deserves this level of criticism. Berating and embarrassing the Chinese government at a sensitive time like now will in no way advance the cause. It will be too naïve to believe that the Chinese government will just bow to the pressure and free Tibet. Besides, who’s to say that a free Tibet is the solution to all problems in the first place. What the Western media has done, in reality, was to give other groups, many of whom with no relation to the Tibet cause, an opportunity to advance their own agenda at the expense of the Chinese people.
It’s also interesting to note that most of the anti-China rhetoric comes from the Western democracies. No one bothered to consider what Muslims, Africans themselves, or other Asians think. Unfortunately, Western media has already branded these countries as nuclear weapons proliferators, genocide perpetrators, dictatorships, etc. However, it’s hypocritical to ignore voices that don’t agree with your own. In fact, in a recent article from the Washington Post, the author, an African himself, said what many Africans want is for other countries to “leave us alone…we don’t need you to save us…just treat us as fair partners and we will grow and do good on our own”.
My point is that this tunnel-visioned, bi-polar view of that world that was displayed so clearly in the last few days only serves to breed hatred, something the Olympics should not come to symbolize.
Hey James! You should check out to see how the Tibet situation is being twisted by the western media. They substituted Indian and Nepalese police pictures for Chinese in many major media outlets. It really pissed me off.
again, preface: i have my own biases, but that’s the point of blogs and commenting, right? My family grew up in Taiwan, physically came under attack by Chinese artillery. I’m against China trying to claim Taiwan as its own. I tend to support Tibet’s desire for independence. It’s a complex situation…my grandparents actually live in Shanghai now.
honestly, it is hard for me to take that website seriously when it says stuff like: “Tibet WAS,IS,and ALWAYS WILL BE a part of China”. That kind of ultimatum is…typical of something the Chinese government would say. Then again, Bush uses a lot of ultimatums too, but his approval rating (and international opinion of America) suffers as a result.
One of the “western media” videos they show is Penn and Teller’s “Bull****” which is purely entertainment (it runs on HBO) not journalism. It hurts the website’s credibility.
how can the website discredit western media and not have anything to say about chinese media? is the chinese government/media completely right? no way.
the website’s claim that one of the photos of monks being roughed up by nepalese policemen is correct, but timesonline acknowledges this! here’s the link to the timesonline page:
here’s the links to the actual photo, which states that it’s taken in Kathmandu:
here’s a link to another photo that clearly states that Tibetian rioters are beating up a Chinese motorcyclist, the same one in the first few videos on the anti-cnn website:
the washington post web page that anti-cnn references has admitted to incorrectly labeling a photo from nepal:
it’s unfortunate that the photo was mislabeled…the point of the article is to say that Tibetians around the world are all protesting. Ultimately the mislabeling isn’t that big of a deal. It’s not China’s acute response to the protesters that is the issue…it’s long term stuff. We agree on this point…people get hurt in riots. There are no winners in a riot. I think that’s what you were trying to say regarding racial riots here in the US. True…but why is the riot happening? The government has an obligation to maintain peace, but does it also have an obligation to keep its people happy so they don’t feel the need to riot?
Well, obviously there are biases in all news reporting, but what really annoyed me was that there is very little reporting about how the Tibetans hurt so many innocent Chinese bystanders, and how the whole thing was passed off as a peaceful protest. There are many foreign witness accounts that the whole thing was not peaceful, but none of that is publicized at all. There is also very little reporting about the actual situation in Tibet and why they are unhappy. Instead, all you hear are strong words like “human rights abuse”, “genocide”, and “mass murder”. Here is a great article that was written about 9 years ago by an American about the government and racial divide in Tibet:
Yes they are unhappy, and it is understandable, but the Chinese government is not as horrible as it’s painted out to be. Why would the Chinese government build schools and roads in such a remote region if all they wanted to do was to kill all the Tibetans? Why would they ship food and education talent there to help a people ravaged by serfdom if all they wanted was genocide? Every government has its problems and I think many Chinese people are just offended that the west is painting them to be monsters. In the Tibet situation they were just trying to defend themselves and the rest of the world doesn’t seem to want to know the truth at all because they have this preconceived notion that the country of China is all about oppression and murder. That’s what makes a lot of Chinese people, including me, quite angry.
love China，I wish you remember you are chinese。
感激你热爱着这块熟悉又陌生的国度。
James: You said:why is the riot happening? The government has an obligation to maintain peace, but does it also have an obligation to keep its people happy so they don’t feel the need to riot?
Can you say that to 911 victims? Somebody (A) is not happy under press of Somebody (B), then A can kill people, and you are blaming B for not doing his job.
James: If you are still not sure what happened in the Tibet roit, please visit . The China Affairs Officer of the Tibetan Government-in-Exile can tell you how the Tibet citizens were killed. If you can’t listen to Chinese, you can ask your parents to listen to that record for you, or you can read the English script.
Now, I showed you strong evidence of the roiters killing innocent citizens. It is spoken by China Affairs Officer of the Tibetan Government-in-Exile and recorded by Radio France International. Can you show me any evidence that Chinese government killed any innocent Tibetan? YOU DON’T HAVE ANY EVIDENCE, AND YOU ARE STILL THINKING SO, BECAUSE YOU ARE BRAIN WASHED!
Jacob: you said: If people in Tibet had these rights, they may not have felt the need to riot.
Comment #16 can apply to you as well.
Tibet has more important things than “these rights”. It has to be kept stable, so people can live and develop economy. That is an internal affair, and why are you pointing fingers to that?
News reporters only show what they want you to see and hear to you. I believe that nobody can report anything abjectly because we all unique and brought up in different environments. Biases are inevitably occur when we are making judgments about basically anything. History books are only true to the people who believe them because history books are written by historians.
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